Moms & kittens.
That article said scientists only thought reptiles were stupid because they kept giving them tests designed for mammals
There’s an analogy for disability in there somewhere
Do you know how many psych docs ignore the reality in their faces because it contradicts what they learned in school? As if education precedes reality and not the other way around.
Apparently if you go to SCHOOL about people you are more qualified than them to define their lives
I find that as absurd as if they were handing out degrees for Bobologists
Again, we are people
How many of you have lost important abilities for a significant length of time, quickly or slowly, any time from puberty to old age? (Sometimes called “regression” or “burnout” or “long-term shutdown”.)
It can be speech, language, the ability to move, executive function, organizational skills,…
At various times, pretty much all of the above except for the movement-related stuff. As came up in a recent discussion, mostly in my teens and 20s.
One of the weirdest, though not even in the top 10 for daily frustration value: I think that may have also been medication related, but who knows, because (not unusually) a burnout got me seriously overmedicated for a while with assorted stuff that will cause verbal cognitive problems by itself. But, I actually lost access to pretty much all the German I had ever learned almost overnight, and got a terrible railroad spike headache whenever I tried to retrieve any words. Which kinda complicated the going back to finish my degree plan, yeah.
I’ve since managed to get some back, and relearned more out of stubbornness. But that was still freaky, and nobody I mentioned it to even wanted to believe that could happen. I didn’t even talk about most of the rest—especially cognitive and executive function fails—given the way the tip of the iceberg, obvious to other people parts of that got approached. :/
I know someone autistic that something similar happened to:
1. English was her first language.
2. She learned Spanish.
3. She forgot ALL THE ENGLISH she’d ever learned, and retained the Spanish.
4. She had to relearn English from scratch, and now speaks it with a Spanish accent.
This happened somewhere in adulthood.
Wow. :( I’m sorry that happened to her. Losing an additional language is not nearly as hard to cope with.
I did know someone online (bipolar, not autistic) who apparently got stuck in second-language Russian mode for I think a week or two after being given ECT…and of course staff decided it was obviously noncommunicative gibberish. But she finally spontaneously started using English again, not realizing she hadn’t been all along until a visitor told her about it. Having to relearn your first language as an adult, like the person you know, would have to be really rough. :/
It’s just amazing sometimes how much we don’t understand about how brains work.
Never had anything as dramatic as that…
But I have lost skills/”regressed” several times since puberty. Although calling it “regression” sounds weird because I either gained stuff at the same time, or it was clearly a result of doing too much and burning out.
At puberty itself, speaking got a whole lot harder for me, and other weird movement stuff happened. I had to re-learn how to move pretty much my entire body. (Which was then worsened by anti-psychotic meds. >.<) But I also discovered how to use my hands much better. They came awake and precise. Which is well worth everything else in my book.
I burned out big time several times since then and each time had to mostly use writing/typing/drawing pictures/ASL to communicate. This lasted for months.
Also, taking Physics really messed with me and my coordination and ability to connect to my body. The way they wanted homework done was just crushing for me. I’m recovering now, but very slowly. I went from able to walk to falling many times per week and I couldn’t do anything to stop or soften the falls. My handwriting has changed and is less smooth. And for a while I couldn’t connect with my body because I would feel such a wave of exhaustion/pain that it would flip some auto-disconnect switch and I’d be floating again. I’m super angry at physics class and that teacher because they stole that from me.
I guess that the point of this is that classes can have all kinds of effects. And if someone doesn’t want to focus all their effort on one to get a better grade, maybe they have *priorities*. And the education system isn’t the entire world.
Now I am slowly reconnecting though.
(And my cane *helps* - also, this article by youneedacat helped a *lot*)
OMG NO PLEASE NO
Peter Singer is going to be teaching a class called “Practical Ethics” on Coursera.
I’m glad I don’t have a desk. I’d be bashing my head into it. This is seriously freaking me out. Thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, of people, from all over the world, are taking each course. I can’t… I just can’t. Who on earth decided this guy was the guy to teach an ETHICS class? (Well then again who on earth decided that he was okay for Princeton, despite massive protests by disability groups?)
Ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh.
No. Seriously, isn’t that kind of like having someone from Enron teach an economics class? >.< Seriously, this is the guy who talks about which babies are theoretically ok to kill.
Nope nope nope nope.
I was trying to explain to someone why going to school can be more traumatic and stressful for many autistic people than abuse. It’s weird when I try to explain something that seems obvious, to someone who I realize has no idea the depth of the problem.
This kind of thing goes for anyone. It…
This This This.
And sometimes *some* kinds of skills build on eachother well, and others kinds are a “start at the bottom of the stairs” every time. An indvidual person doesn’t have to be *all* one way or *all* the other.
I’m like that. The skills that seem to be “start over every time” skills are mostly language. And the big divide isn’t speaking vs. typing - it’s how “abstract” the language is. So if I can use really basic tangible words, or work directly with things and people, then I’m often seen as smart - but school and college can be hell.
I burned out most spectacularly around 15-ish and then two or three times since then. And had it misdiagnosed as mental illness/emotional problems/fucked up in the head and lazy. Which if people had listened to what I said when I *could* talk then they would have known that that was going on. But it was like I was saying nothing at all, completely ignored. :/
But in the right circumstances, I can do good stuff - and a lot of my life is *very* good right now.
…children read as we should read. They are simply enjoying what they read. And that is the only kind of reading that I permit. One should think of reading as a form of happiness, as a form of joy, and I think that compulsory reading is wrong. You might as well talk of compulsory love or compulsory happiness. One should be reading for the pleasure of the book. I was a teacher of English literature for some twenty years and I always said to my students: if a book bores you, lay it aside. It hasn’t been written for you. But if you read and feel passion, then go on reading. Compulsory reading is a superstition.
Jorge Luis Borges, interviewed by Alastair Reid and John Coleman, 1980 (via dreamlessons)
(and it’s also been shown that kids who read early by themselves are usually great readers (surprise surprise) but kids who are forced or pressured to learn to read early just stop reading anything but the bare minimum after 3rd grade)
Anyone who gets offended at the phrase “suffering from autism” has never seen an autistic kid be put through public school
From my viewpoint that’s not suffering from autism, it’s suffering from assholes. The autism isn’t the problem, the people/system who try to “fix” it are.
Yeah, that’s suffering from the way the school system treats atypical kids.
I stopped suffering from school when I was no longer in school.
(Yes, I have seen an autistic kid put through public school. I was one.)
That can also be phrased as “Kids suffering from the Public School system”. And both autistic and some non-autistic kids suffer from that.
I’m sorry but
The average high school student has the same levels of anxiety as people put in mental hospitals in the 1950s.
Over 25% of my year group has self harmed recently.
Some of my best friends at school cry themselves to sleep because of the pressure of school.
I’ve talked to people considering suicide and having mental breakdowns because of all the work they have to do and the high expectations.
So don’t you dare tell me that there is nothing wrong with our education system.
It’s a very rigid, narrow system that doesn’t fit most people. It also has some of the same properties that do harm in prisons and institutions (although not to the same extent).